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		<title>Comment on book review: california native gardening by Brent (Breathing Treatment)</title>
		<link>http://www.soenyun.com/Blog/2012/05/20/book-review-california-native-gardening/comment-page-1/#comment-8632</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent (Breathing Treatment)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the north­ern plant palette... [is because] many of those plants are gen­er­ally more suc­cess­ful in mixed gar­den sit­u­a­tions, where species might get more water than those from dry­lands....&quot;

Hits the nail on the head for why we seem to have so many northerly species or nothern hybrids in the trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think the north­ern plant palette… [is because] many of those plants are gen­er­ally more suc­cess­ful in mixed gar­den sit­u­a­tions, where species might get more water than those from dry­lands.…”</p>
<p>Hits the nail on the head for why we seem to have so many northerly species or nothern hybrids in the trade.</p>
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		<title>Comment on may(bloom)day by Diana of Elephant's Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana of Elephant's Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you trimmed the Phlomis detail, you may be sur­prised what you will find!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you trimmed the Phlomis detail, you may be sur­prised what you will find!</p>
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		<title>Comment on may(bloom)day by Elephant's Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elephant's Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you trimmed the Phlomis detail, you may be surprised what you will find!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you trimmed the Phlomis detail, you may be surprised what you will find!</p>
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		<title>Comment on book review: california native gardening by James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gayle, thanks for your comment. I&#039;ve also been struck by how the central part of the state passes for the north. Down in San Diego I often get the feeling that we&#039;re south of Southern California. Maybe once the Real Housewives of Redding or San Diego hit the airwaves people will realize we exist. I think the northern plant palette comes from people liking the more woodsy feel of areas a bit moister than some parts of the state. Also, I&#039;m sure many of those plants are generally more successful in mixed garden situations, where species might get more water than those from drylands that might not be as happy near a lawn or mixed with plants that might like more regular irrigation.

Ricki, I think you&#039;ve hit on a topic that needs to be written about. Do you think you have another book in you? You&#039;d definitely need different chapters for the coastal strip versus the dry and hot parts of the state. And be sure to remember one of the most amazing carnivorous plants out there: Darlingtonia californica. (Sorry for stealing the glory of the species name, even though many predominant populations live up farther north.

David, most books that don&#039;t weigh 30 pounds are probably compromises as to what they keep and exclude. I think this book does a good balancing act. I&#039;m glad you mentioned the index. For a book that isn&#039;t organized by species, in particular, an index is really essential, and this book&#039;s index makes it easier to get to the plant you want to research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayle, thanks for your comment. I’ve also been struck by how the central part of the state passes for the north. Down in San Diego I often get the feeling that we’re south of Southern California. Maybe once the Real Housewives of Redding or San Diego hit the airwaves people will realize we exist. I think the northern plant palette comes from people liking the more woodsy feel of areas a bit moister than some parts of the state. Also, I’m sure many of those plants are generally more successful in mixed garden situations, where species might get more water than those from drylands that might not be as happy near a lawn or mixed with plants that might like more regular irrigation.</p>
<p>Ricki, I think you’ve hit on a topic that needs to be written about. Do you think you have another book in you? You’d definitely need different chapters for the coastal strip versus the dry and hot parts of the state. And be sure to remember one of the most amazing carnivorous plants out there: Darlingtonia californica. (Sorry for stealing the glory of the species name, even though many predominant populations live up farther north.</p>
<p>David, most books that don’t weigh 30 pounds are probably compromises as to what they keep and exclude. I think this book does a good balancing act. I’m glad you mentioned the index. For a book that isn’t organized by species, in particular, an index is really essential, and this book’s index makes it easier to get to the plant you want to research.</p>
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		<title>Comment on book review: california native gardening by Desert Dweller / David C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert Dweller / David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 15:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California, like a few other states I know, has so many major climates alone, that it might be challenging to put it all in one book. But that said, I appreciate the chronological layout of tasks, as well as better indexing to find certain plants or information is always a good thing.

Now, you have me looking for &quot;where I put that&quot; Care and Maint of So Cal plants book I bought a few summers ago...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California, like a few other states I know, has so many major climates alone, that it might be challenging to put it all in one book. But that said, I appreciate the chronological layout of tasks, as well as better indexing to find certain plants or information is always a good thing.</p>
<p>Now, you have me looking for “where I put that” Care and Maint of So Cal plants book I bought a few summers ago…</p>
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		<title>Comment on book review: california native gardening by ricki</title>
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		<dc:creator>ricki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re. above comment: kinda like watching basketball on TV: it always seems like the announcers are showing partiality to the other team.
These books sound great. Now if someone would just do that for Oregon (where there are also at least two distinct different climates).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re. above comment: kinda like watching basketball on TV: it always seems like the announcers are showing partiality to the other team.<br />
These books sound great. Now if someone would just do that for Oregon (where there are also at least two distinct different climates).</p>
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		<title>Comment on book review: california native gardening by Gayle Madwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gayle Madwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 20:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Related to this thought, many of the plants that make up a typ­i­cal native plantscape also come from the north.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, the entire state is &quot;north&quot; from where you are. How are you defining &quot;north&quot;? Ignoring human population density and looking strictly at geography, everything south of San Jose is in the southern half of California. Bakersfield is in the southern third of the California, and Sacramento is in the central third. I&#039;m in the northern third, but not by much. It is a four-and-a-half-hour drive from Sacramento to the Oregon border, but only about 5% of the state&#039;s human population lives north of Sacramento. Simply put, everything that most people think of as &quot;northern California&quot; is geographically in the central third of the state, and everything that is geographically in the northern third of the state pretty much never occurs to anyone in other parts of the state at all - and that includes the plants. 

To me it seems obvious that the plants that only grow in the state&#039;s less populated areas are much, much less likely to get mentioned in any of the native plant gardening books. There are good reasons for that - what&#039;s the use in telling gardeners all over the state about plants that hardly any of them can grow? - but it still means that some very interesting plants in the northern third of the state get far, far less attention than they would if they grew farther south. And when you read a gardening book that seems to you biased toward the plants of the &quot;north,&quot; I&#039;m probably reading the same book and thinking that it seems biased toward the plants of the &quot;south.&quot; (I haven&#039;t actually read this book yet, though, so we&#039;ll see.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Related to this thought, many of the plants that make up a typ­i­cal native plantscape also come from the north.”</i></p>
<p>Well, the entire state is “north” from where you are. How are you defining “north”? Ignoring human population density and looking strictly at geography, everything south of San Jose is in the southern half of California. Bakersfield is in the southern third of the California, and Sacramento is in the central third. I’m in the northern third, but not by much. It is a four-and-a-half-hour drive from Sacramento to the Oregon border, but only about 5% of the state’s human population lives north of Sacramento. Simply put, everything that most people think of as “northern California” is geographically in the central third of the state, and everything that is geographically in the northern third of the state pretty much never occurs to anyone in other parts of the state at all — and that includes the plants. </p>
<p>To me it seems obvious that the plants that only grow in the state’s less populated areas are much, much less likely to get mentioned in any of the native plant gardening books. There are good reasons for that — what’s the use in telling gardeners all over the state about plants that hardly any of them can grow? — but it still means that some very interesting plants in the northern third of the state get far, far less attention than they would if they grew farther south. And when you read a gardening book that seems to you biased toward the plants of the “north,” I’m probably reading the same book and thinking that it seems biased toward the plants of the “south.” (I haven’t actually read this book yet, though, so we’ll see.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on may(bloom)day by Helen/patientgardener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen/patientgardener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 16:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have my own new species http://patientgardener.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/4913/</description>
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		<title>Comment on may(bloom)day by The Patient Gardener&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Patient Gardener&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 16:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been amused by James (Lost in the Landscape&#8217;s) rare lavender flowered Californian coffeeberry I thought I would share my Brunnera hyacinthoides.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] been amused by James (Lost in the Landscape’s) rare lavender flowered Californian coffeeberry I thought I would share my Brunnera hyacinthoides.  […]</p>
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		<title>Comment on may(bloom)day by Hoov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great plants!  Does coffeeberry reseed like crazy for you?  

Epiphyllums--yeah, they create mixed feelings, don&#039;t they?  Unearthly wild flowers for a few weeks, an ugly plant to hide behind the nearest shrub the rest of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great plants!  Does coffeeberry reseed like crazy for you?  </p>
<p>Epiphyllums–yeah, they create mixed feelings, don’t they?  Unearthly wild flowers for a few weeks, an ugly plant to hide behind the nearest shrub the rest of the year.</p>
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